Primers -- Help
Quote from Reloader on February 7, 2010, 12:13 amWhat is it with Primers....or is it me.
My 650 does NOT like CCI, Wolf and now Federal Primers. They attempt to seat sideways, broken, split and even backwards. Sheeeeesh, this is getting old. For every 100 rounds loaded, 20 have to be re-done. That is getting very old.
Seems, if I can remember. it's been soooo long ago, that only Winchester loaded without much of a fuss, but I can't get any..
Any ideas ?????
What is it with Primers....or is it me.
My 650 does NOT like CCI, Wolf and now Federal Primers. They attempt to seat sideways, broken, split and even backwards. Sheeeeesh, this is getting old. For every 100 rounds loaded, 20 have to be re-done. That is getting very old.
Seems, if I can remember. it's been soooo long ago, that only Winchester loaded without much of a fuss, but I can't get any..
Any ideas ?????
Quote from Reloader on February 9, 2010, 3:13 pmI don't think it's the primers...
I've loaded 1000's of rounds of 308 (mil brass decrimped with Dillon swage tool), 223 Rem brass and 45 ACP non-crimped brass using mostly CCI but also Winchester, Remington, MagTec primers and have not had one single primer issue except sometimes the swaged pocket hangs up very slightly and requires just a little 'feel' to align and seat. In the past with other tools I've had somewhat squished primers due to them starting crooked or being pushed too hard but not one with the 650.
I'm no expert but my take is you have something wrong with alignment. With non-crimped brass the primer should go in with only a feel of slight pressure and no sense of hang-up. Another idea is you're going too fast. I go a little slow and extra slow when it comes to primer seating.
Good Luck!
I don't think it's the primers...
I've loaded 1000's of rounds of 308 (mil brass decrimped with Dillon swage tool), 223 Rem brass and 45 ACP non-crimped brass using mostly CCI but also Winchester, Remington, MagTec primers and have not had one single primer issue except sometimes the swaged pocket hangs up very slightly and requires just a little 'feel' to align and seat. In the past with other tools I've had somewhat squished primers due to them starting crooked or being pushed too hard but not one with the 650.
I'm no expert but my take is you have something wrong with alignment. With non-crimped brass the primer should go in with only a feel of slight pressure and no sense of hang-up. Another idea is you're going too fast. I go a little slow and extra slow when it comes to primer seating.
Good Luck!
Quote from Reloader on February 9, 2010, 3:57 pmI strongly suggest that you phone Dillon for assistance when you can be in front of the machine. There are lots of possible causes, from mis-adjustment of the station two locator, crimped brass, to high anvils in the primers. Before you phone, cycle 20-30 primers through the machine, removing them when they come up on the primer seating punch. See if they are flat when fed.
I strongly suggest that you phone Dillon for assistance when you can be in front of the machine. There are lots of possible causes, from mis-adjustment of the station two locator, crimped brass, to high anvils in the primers. Before you phone, cycle 20-30 primers through the machine, removing them when they come up on the primer seating punch. See if they are flat when fed.
Quote from Reloader on February 9, 2010, 9:54 pmDillon, I will give that a try and call when I can get in front of the machine.
I appreciate the help. This is why I bought "The Blue".
Dillon, I will give that a try and call when I can get in front of the machine.
I appreciate the help. This is why I bought "The Blue".
Quote from Reloader on February 22, 2010, 6:35 pmA month ago I had problems with this and I ended up replacing the chrome plated arm that moves the primer index plate because I bent the arm when the primer got stuck. Last night the same thing happened again. I took the priming tool apart and noticed the bronze tip for the large primer tube was damaged by a sideways primer. It opened up the ID to the point it was oblong and allowing the primers to get twisted up even easier. I have both a large and small primer feeding assemblyso I haven't taken it apart for many years. IF I had taken it apart normally, I probably would have noticed the problem because after getting enlarged, it didn't want to come out. I had to put a pair of pliers on it.
BTW: In the past, I have used without issues CCI and Federal primers. I just recently had the above issue.
A month ago I had problems with this and I ended up replacing the chrome plated arm that moves the primer index plate because I bent the arm when the primer got stuck. Last night the same thing happened again. I took the priming tool apart and noticed the bronze tip for the large primer tube was damaged by a sideways primer. It opened up the ID to the point it was oblong and allowing the primers to get twisted up even easier. I have both a large and small primer feeding assemblyso I haven't taken it apart for many years. IF I had taken it apart normally, I probably would have noticed the problem because after getting enlarged, it didn't want to come out. I had to put a pair of pliers on it.
BTW: In the past, I have used without issues CCI and Federal primers. I just recently had the above issue.
Quote from Reloader on February 26, 2010, 6:49 pmJust want to add one other item to be on the lookout for. Make sure you clean your entire primer system 1000-1500 rounds reloaded. After 2 1/2 years with the 650 and thousands of rounds, "A clean primer system" will result in little to no primer system problems.
Just want to add one other item to be on the lookout for. Make sure you clean your entire primer system 1000-1500 rounds reloaded. After 2 1/2 years with the 650 and thousands of rounds, "A clean primer system" will result in little to no primer system problems.
Quote from Reloader on February 28, 2010, 10:53 pmHi,
I have been using Wolf recently because that is all that is available. I have had similar problems, but not as severe. About 3 or 4 out a 100 primers were getting mangled. I noticed the shell hole in the plate is not centered over the primer punch. It looks like the shell plate is advancing too far. I disassembled and cleaned everything, and replaced the index pawl, which was scored. No joy, it's the same. I did carefully adjust the shell plate bolt, so there is no slop, but the shell plate rotates smoothly. I also adjusted the primer locator tab, so there is some slop. It looks like that lets the case move around a little. That seems to have improved the issue. I just loaded 100 rounds and only had 1 crushed primer. I noticed that "WCC" head stamps have the most problems.
Regards
Hi,
I have been using Wolf recently because that is all that is available. I have had similar problems, but not as severe. About 3 or 4 out a 100 primers were getting mangled. I noticed the shell hole in the plate is not centered over the primer punch. It looks like the shell plate is advancing too far. I disassembled and cleaned everything, and replaced the index pawl, which was scored. No joy, it's the same. I did carefully adjust the shell plate bolt, so there is no slop, but the shell plate rotates smoothly. I also adjusted the primer locator tab, so there is some slop. It looks like that lets the case move around a little. That seems to have improved the issue. I just loaded 100 rounds and only had 1 crushed primer. I noticed that "WCC" head stamps have the most problems.
Regards
Quote from Reloader on May 2, 2010, 7:11 pmI use nothing but Wolf Primers so far so good. I trashed a few WWC brass cant get primers to seat,I will trash all FIOCCHI USA brass thats for sure
I use nothing but Wolf Primers so far so good. I trashed a few WWC brass cant get primers to seat,I will trash all FIOCCHI USA brass thats for sure
Quote from Reloader on January 2, 2011, 9:57 pmI didn't want to start a new topic when my issue is with primers. So here it is. I have noticed that small pistol primers are getting an indication / dimpling when seated in a case. It does not happen every time, but at least 8 out of 10. I have checked that the punch is clean an there are no raised pionts on the surface.
It does not seem to effect the rounds. They fire fine just don't look clean. Not having the issue with large pistol primers.
Any ideas?
I didn't want to start a new topic when my issue is with primers. So here it is. I have noticed that small pistol primers are getting an indication / dimpling when seated in a case. It does not happen every time, but at least 8 out of 10. I have checked that the punch is clean an there are no raised pionts on the surface.
It does not seem to effect the rounds. They fire fine just don't look clean. Not having the issue with large pistol primers.
Any ideas?