650 resizing/decap die
Quote from Reloader on May 10, 2015, 1:36 amWhen loading 45 ACP, occassionally the case will not feed directly into the resizing/decap die. Sometimes the mouth of the case is damaged other times I can give the case a slight push to move it into place. Does not happen all the time, but every 25-30 rounds it will occur for 3 or 4 cases. Any suggestions. I am new to the 650, used to own a 550 20+ years ago.
When loading 45 ACP, occassionally the case will not feed directly into the resizing/decap die. Sometimes the mouth of the case is damaged other times I can give the case a slight push to move it into place. Does not happen all the time, but every 25-30 rounds it will occur for 3 or 4 cases. Any suggestions. I am new to the 650, used to own a 550 20+ years ago.
Quote from Reloader on May 11, 2015, 7:15 pmWhen you adjust the rod that controls how far the case gets pushed into the shellplate, be sure to have a primed case in station 2. The primer seating punch against the primer is the forward stop for the handle movement. If you adjust this rod without a primed case present in station 2, then the case plunger moves the case farther into the shellplate than it will when actually reloading.
When you adjust the rod that controls how far the case gets pushed into the shellplate, be sure to have a primed case in station 2. The primer seating punch against the primer is the forward stop for the handle movement. If you adjust this rod without a primed case present in station 2, then the case plunger moves the case farther into the shellplate than it will when actually reloading.
Quote from Reloader on July 28, 2015, 9:00 pmDitto! I feel the shell plate is designed with a slot too loose to accommodate the many "standard" profiles of the 45ACP case, and it therefore "rocks" outward.
I too am interested in Dillon's progress toward a solution. This is definitely an impediment to the high capacity loading potential as advertised...reducing its effectiveness to less than the 550 series.
I can visualize a plastic insert to "grab" the case as the case feeder delivers it. I realize this would be a consumable item, but it is worth a try, eh.
Ditto! I feel the shell plate is designed with a slot too loose to accommodate the many "standard" profiles of the 45ACP case, and it therefore "rocks" outward.
I too am interested in Dillon's progress toward a solution. This is definitely an impediment to the high capacity loading potential as advertised...reducing its effectiveness to less than the 550 series.
I can visualize a plastic insert to "grab" the case as the case feeder delivers it. I realize this would be a consumable item, but it is worth a try, eh.
Quote from Reloader on January 19, 2016, 9:45 pmJust got off the phone with tech help. No help.
"Your shell plate isn't tight enough."
I beg to differ. I cranked it down all the way and backed it off JUST enough to allow the shell plate to turn freely - without binding.
Is it random? Yes. 1 out of every 1, 3, 5, 7 cases, more often than not LESS than five times.
Did you mark the shell plate when it happened? There could be a bulge in the plate.
I'm thinking the plate is wearing OUT after several tens of thousands of rounds loaded OR as Walstr below suggested, the cutout on the plate is based on SAAMI specs, and a LOT of brass is either out of spec from day one or after being fired/reloaded several dozen times.
I'll start keeping track of:
1 - if it's only ONE spot on the shell plate (or two, or three)
2 - what BRAND of brass this is happening to.
3 - recheck the adjustment of the "rod" per dillon's response on 05-11.Weirdness. And this happens with 9mm and .38 too.
NormB
Just got off the phone with tech help. No help.
"Your shell plate isn't tight enough."
I beg to differ. I cranked it down all the way and backed it off JUST enough to allow the shell plate to turn freely - without binding.
Is it random? Yes. 1 out of every 1, 3, 5, 7 cases, more often than not LESS than five times.
Did you mark the shell plate when it happened? There could be a bulge in the plate.
I'm thinking the plate is wearing OUT after several tens of thousands of rounds loaded OR as Walstr below suggested, the cutout on the plate is based on SAAMI specs, and a LOT of brass is either out of spec from day one or after being fired/reloaded several dozen times.
I'll start keeping track of:
1 - if it's only ONE spot on the shell plate (or two, or three)
2 - what BRAND of brass this is happening to.
3 - recheck the adjustment of the "rod" per dillon's response on 05-11.
Weirdness. And this happens with 9mm and .38 too.
NormB
Quote from Reloader on January 20, 2016, 12:19 pmNorm, If you are having problems with 45, 9 and 38s then the Case Insert Slide & Slide Cam (part number 97082) and/or Camming Pin (13371) need adjustment.
Dillons advise about having a 'primed' case in station 2 is important. If you have no case or a case with no primer in it when during the adjustment then the handle moves back more and the slide will move the case against the shell plate more.
I recommend checking the adjustment with:
1. make sure shell plate is properly adjusted (appears this is already done correctly in your case - a lose shell plate cases lots of issues)
2. primed cased in station 2
3. press handle fully back (IE: like seating a primer)
4. Inspect Slide to be sure it is pushing shell case against shell plate. Many times you might even see some space between the camming pin and slide.
5. if no space then raise up the camming pin to allow for slide to move case into shell plate more
6. if space, but case not fully pressed onto slide then adjust slide forward more. See figures 184-186 in manual. Dillon manual states slide is supposed to be backside of cam is supposed to be flush with slide. I sometimes need to push it forward (more to shell plate) to get cases to fully be pressed into the shell plate.
7. be sure the case insert slide is clean and moves easily on the platform. Dirt between platform and slide will prevent the slide from moving the case fully forward. .. I have seen warnout slides because of dirt. Wiping this area clean (disassembly might be required) and a small amount of 'One Shot Dry Lube' helps. Dillon hate the dry lube, but it is magic if the items are clean.PS: I have never seen a worn out shell plate. And I have friends machines with 100s of 1000s of cases loaded (IE: 1,000,000+ reloaded rounds). I have seen bend/damaged shell plates because they got dropped on hard surface and bent/broke an edge where the cases feed into the shell plate.
Norm, If you are having problems with 45, 9 and 38s then the Case Insert Slide & Slide Cam (part number 97082) and/or Camming Pin (13371) need adjustment.
Dillons advise about having a 'primed' case in station 2 is important. If you have no case or a case with no primer in it when during the adjustment then the handle moves back more and the slide will move the case against the shell plate more.
I recommend checking the adjustment with:
1. make sure shell plate is properly adjusted (appears this is already done correctly in your case - a lose shell plate cases lots of issues)
2. primed cased in station 2
3. press handle fully back (IE: like seating a primer)
4. Inspect Slide to be sure it is pushing shell case against shell plate. Many times you might even see some space between the camming pin and slide.
5. if no space then raise up the camming pin to allow for slide to move case into shell plate more
6. if space, but case not fully pressed onto slide then adjust slide forward more. See figures 184-186 in manual. Dillon manual states slide is supposed to be backside of cam is supposed to be flush with slide. I sometimes need to push it forward (more to shell plate) to get cases to fully be pressed into the shell plate.
7. be sure the case insert slide is clean and moves easily on the platform. Dirt between platform and slide will prevent the slide from moving the case fully forward. .. I have seen warnout slides because of dirt. Wiping this area clean (disassembly might be required) and a small amount of 'One Shot Dry Lube' helps. Dillon hate the dry lube, but it is magic if the items are clean.
PS: I have never seen a worn out shell plate. And I have friends machines with 100s of 1000s of cases loaded (IE: 1,000,000+ reloaded rounds). I have seen bend/damaged shell plates because they got dropped on hard surface and bent/broke an edge where the cases feed into the shell plate.
Quote from Reloader on January 20, 2016, 2:17 pmD'oh! The things you forget about after months and years.
Got onto it this morning about 630AM EST, pushed further into the manual to Page 40, Figure 188.
How could I forget? Because there's NO mention of this adjustment in the Initial setup section up to page 19? Or it's lost in the superfluous verbiage?
When's the last time I read the manual cover to cover? 15 years ago maybe?
Yeah, that's it. The "camming pin" adjustment.
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.
NB
D'oh! The things you forget about after months and years.
Got onto it this morning about 630AM EST, pushed further into the manual to Page 40, Figure 188.
How could I forget? Because there's NO mention of this adjustment in the Initial setup section up to page 19? Or it's lost in the superfluous verbiage?
When's the last time I read the manual cover to cover? 15 years ago maybe?
Yeah, that's it. The "camming pin" adjustment.
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.
NB
Quote from Reloader on January 26, 2016, 12:53 amWell, took some time poking around. I took the case pusher/block off the slide, took a file to the rough edges (that pin really wears them out, and my PIN is really worn out, or was, having a FACETED end, not rounded - something in that composite plastic will wear down steel after over 100k rounds but I'd replaced it with an aftermarket part with a roller bearing a couple years back because of this and still have the old parts in my spares kit), cleaned everything and reassembled and started cranking out rounds.
Sort of.
ONE spot on the shell plate (#1) keeps failing, repeatedly. I put a small mark on it with a sharpie every time is messed up - about 15 out of 100 times.
Interesting.
Then it occurred to me, I have a .308 conversion kit. Same #1 plate. Put THAT one. Fewer failures, but I found that if I simply rotated the entire shellplate/piston assembly a few degrees clockwise with the lever, the case would go into place and I could proceed.
More interesting.
Where's the play coming from?
Big pin at the bottom of the press/lever with a nut on either side.
Tightened them down as far as they would go and there's STILL some play in there, enough that I can now get maybe ten or fifteen cases loaded, sometimes just two or three or five before having a case hang up on the mouth of the die again.
I still have a spare case pusher assembly - Dillon sent it out a couple years ago when I was having another problem with the press (the problem I fixed with the roller-bearing camming pin assembly).
This is really frustrating. It's been a gradual wearing down and more frequent failure rate and as best as I can tell, some heavy-duty parts (like the "bushing" at the bottom of the lever/piston is worn out which is ridiculous given how often I clean/oil/lube the machine.
Mine is pre-zerk fittings and I put oil into the little holes - often - keep a couple of paper towels under the machine to catch the drippings.
May be time for a factory overhaul if replacing the case pusher assembly doesn't fix it.
Thanks again.
Well, took some time poking around. I took the case pusher/block off the slide, took a file to the rough edges (that pin really wears them out, and my PIN is really worn out, or was, having a FACETED end, not rounded - something in that composite plastic will wear down steel after over 100k rounds but I'd replaced it with an aftermarket part with a roller bearing a couple years back because of this and still have the old parts in my spares kit), cleaned everything and reassembled and started cranking out rounds.
Sort of.
ONE spot on the shell plate (#1) keeps failing, repeatedly. I put a small mark on it with a sharpie every time is messed up - about 15 out of 100 times.
Interesting.
Then it occurred to me, I have a .308 conversion kit. Same #1 plate. Put THAT one. Fewer failures, but I found that if I simply rotated the entire shellplate/piston assembly a few degrees clockwise with the lever, the case would go into place and I could proceed.
More interesting.
Where's the play coming from?
Big pin at the bottom of the press/lever with a nut on either side.
Tightened them down as far as they would go and there's STILL some play in there, enough that I can now get maybe ten or fifteen cases loaded, sometimes just two or three or five before having a case hang up on the mouth of the die again.
I still have a spare case pusher assembly - Dillon sent it out a couple years ago when I was having another problem with the press (the problem I fixed with the roller-bearing camming pin assembly).
This is really frustrating. It's been a gradual wearing down and more frequent failure rate and as best as I can tell, some heavy-duty parts (like the "bushing" at the bottom of the lever/piston is worn out which is ridiculous given how often I clean/oil/lube the machine.
Mine is pre-zerk fittings and I put oil into the little holes - often - keep a couple of paper towels under the machine to catch the drippings.
May be time for a factory overhaul if replacing the case pusher assembly doesn't fix it.
Thanks again.