Dillon 650 indexing too vigorously
Quote from Reloader on January 2, 2010, 2:04 pmI have set up my new 650, and everything went well. I am starting to reload 10mm. I am loading AA#9 13.5 grains. This fills up the 10mm case with just enough room to seat the bullet.
After I drop the powder and index the press, the shellplate rotates a bit too vigorously and causes a slight jerk at the end of the index cycle, which causes a few granules of powder to hop out of the case mouth. This is a very small amount of powder, perhaps 0.1g or less, but it is making a mess. I think it is occurring because of the vigor with which the shell plate is indexing.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Is there a way to fix it?
Will the vigor with which the indexing occurs diminish over time as springs get used?
Thanks in advance for any help.
David
I have set up my new 650, and everything went well. I am starting to reload 10mm. I am loading AA#9 13.5 grains. This fills up the 10mm case with just enough room to seat the bullet.
After I drop the powder and index the press, the shellplate rotates a bit too vigorously and causes a slight jerk at the end of the index cycle, which causes a few granules of powder to hop out of the case mouth. This is a very small amount of powder, perhaps 0.1g or less, but it is making a mess. I think it is occurring because of the vigor with which the shell plate is indexing.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Is there a way to fix it?
Will the vigor with which the indexing occurs diminish over time as springs get used?
Thanks in advance for any help.
David
Quote from Reloader on January 2, 2010, 7:40 pmThe 650 is a great machine.
Check the shell plate and make sure it has just enough play so it will turn smoothly. I set my shell plate just snug, then back off just a hair so it will index smoothly, then using a 1/8" allen wrench, snug the allen bolt.
Also, with full cases, slow down the process of making, index as smoothly as possible.
The 650 is a great machine.
Check the shell plate and make sure it has just enough play so it will turn smoothly. I set my shell plate just snug, then back off just a hair so it will index smoothly, then using a 1/8" allen wrench, snug the allen bolt.
Also, with full cases, slow down the process of making, index as smoothly as possible.
Quote from Reloader on January 2, 2010, 8:06 pmRead the Trouble Shooting Section
http://www.dillonhelp.com/xl650enghelp/xl650/xl650_pg1.htm#smooth
Read the Trouble Shooting Section
http://www.dillonhelp.com/xl650enghelp/xl650/xl650_pg1.htm#smooth
Quote from Reloader on January 4, 2010, 12:42 amI have tried tightening up the shellplate. That did not seem to help. I have the shellplate as tight as I can make it, and still be able to index.
It appears that the shellplate rotates smoothly until about the last 1/4" of rotation. At that point, the shellplate jumps forward into its final position, and that is when powder hops out of the case mouth.
Any other ideas on how to fix this?
I have tried tightening up the shellplate. That did not seem to help. I have the shellplate as tight as I can make it, and still be able to index.
It appears that the shellplate rotates smoothly until about the last 1/4" of rotation. At that point, the shellplate jumps forward into its final position, and that is when powder hops out of the case mouth.
Any other ideas on how to fix this?
Quote from Reloader on January 5, 2010, 2:08 pmHowdy, There are a few things that don't show up in reloading manuals, namely differant powders have differant loading densities. If you were to try AA5 you'll find that the case will be about half full. The jerking your experiencing is the ball detent being pushed into the pocket in the shell plate. there are 2 ways to smooth out this operation. 1) Use wheel bearing grease between the shell plate, and the carrier, not spreading it more that 3/4" from the center bolt. Otherwise you'll contaminate the primers. 2) keep your left hand next to the machine and catch the cases with your left index finger as they rotate into position, and slow the operating lever as it gets close. 3) Another thing is to start the bullet before the carrier locks into position, this will keep the powder inside the case.
I hope this helps,
Tom Buckley
Howdy, There are a few things that don't show up in reloading manuals, namely differant powders have differant loading densities. If you were to try AA5 you'll find that the case will be about half full. The jerking your experiencing is the ball detent being pushed into the pocket in the shell plate. there are 2 ways to smooth out this operation. 1) Use wheel bearing grease between the shell plate, and the carrier, not spreading it more that 3/4" from the center bolt. Otherwise you'll contaminate the primers. 2) keep your left hand next to the machine and catch the cases with your left index finger as they rotate into position, and slow the operating lever as it gets close. 3) Another thing is to start the bullet before the carrier locks into position, this will keep the powder inside the case.
I hope this helps,
Tom Buckley
Quote from Reloader on January 13, 2010, 6:53 pmHave you considered a shellplate bearing kit. I have one on my 650 and it solved the same problem.
http://hitfactorshooting.com/category.sc;jsessionid=EB187A5713D80D87CC354B3EBF3D4FB6.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=20
Have you considered a shellplate bearing kit. I have one on my 650 and it solved the same problem.
Quote from Reloader on January 16, 2010, 8:55 pmHey Pitmaster, you tried the Hitmaster Bearing System. How much does it raise the shell plate off the deck?? And, do you like it ??
Hey Pitmaster, you tried the Hitmaster Bearing System. How much does it raise the shell plate off the deck?? And, do you like it ??
Quote from Reloader on January 18, 2010, 8:27 pmI too have thrust bearing installed on my 650. I only use it for non-bottle neck cases, works like a charm. I didn't buy it from from Hitmasters, I bought it directly from McMasters who is the supplier of the bearings.
It does work well. It doesn't raise the shell plate. But it does raise the locking bolt. Have had no problems with it and does suppress the powder spilage issues.
I too have thrust bearing installed on my 650. I only use it for non-bottle neck cases, works like a charm. I didn't buy it from from Hitmasters, I bought it directly from McMasters who is the supplier of the bearings.
It does work well. It doesn't raise the shell plate. But it does raise the locking bolt. Have had no problems with it and does suppress the powder spilage issues.