Patience
Quote from Reloader on March 9, 2013, 1:29 amTo my friends at Dillon. Keep up the great work. Wish there was something I could do to help.
To everyone who has taken the time to reply to those with questions about Dillon products thanks.
To everyone else who has done nuthin but sit around and bitch and whine about my stuff not getting here on time, a word of advice is to take both hands, grab both your ears and pull your head out of your rear end. Look at what is going on around you. You take the time to post on the Dillon forum, griping and complaining about your stuff taking too long to get delivered. What do you read when you look at the home page. I see six to eight weeks. How many times have you wrote anything or called your congressman or even your beloved president and chewed their ass out? Bet thats a big fat zero. This will get worse before it gets better and what we need to do is quit complaining and show some support. Not just for The Folks At Dillon but anyone who has anything to do with our sport.
To my friends at Dillon. Keep up the great work. Wish there was something I could do to help.
To everyone who has taken the time to reply to those with questions about Dillon products thanks.
To everyone else who has done nuthin but sit around and bitch and whine about my stuff not getting here on time, a word of advice is to take both hands, grab both your ears and pull your head out of your rear end. Look at what is going on around you. You take the time to post on the Dillon forum, griping and complaining about your stuff taking too long to get delivered. What do you read when you look at the home page. I see six to eight weeks. How many times have you wrote anything or called your congressman or even your beloved president and chewed their ass out? Bet thats a big fat zero. This will get worse before it gets better and what we need to do is quit complaining and show some support. Not just for The Folks At Dillon but anyone who has anything to do with our sport.
Quote from Reloader on March 14, 2013, 2:52 pmAmen! could not have said that any better!!!
This post should be at the top of every page!!!!!
Amen! could not have said that any better!!!
This post should be at the top of every page!!!!!
Quote from Reloader on March 20, 2013, 4:10 pmAmen Brother! I have been using a 550 for years and with the recent events i have started loading more 223 which justified the purchase of the 650. I ordered it on 3/19, now we will wait. My 550 was sold on 3/20 but I told the new owner he couldnt have it until my new showed up and he agreed. NO DOWN TIME!!! Thank you for not sacrificing quality for quantity. My 550 has been a workhorse and I fully expect the 650 to live up to the same standards. Thanks for the great products!!!
Amen Brother! I have been using a 550 for years and with the recent events i have started loading more 223 which justified the purchase of the 650. I ordered it on 3/19, now we will wait. My 550 was sold on 3/20 but I told the new owner he couldnt have it until my new showed up and he agreed. NO DOWN TIME!!! Thank you for not sacrificing quality for quantity. My 550 has been a workhorse and I fully expect the 650 to live up to the same standards. Thanks for the great products!!!
Quote from Reloader on March 21, 2013, 1:49 pmI kinda feel you there Jacky, but I gotta admit. I'm really losing faith in this industry. This is not the FIRST surge in their market. They know it won't be the LAST. Yet across the board they have not increased their capacity to meet demands. I understand the cyclical events are spread out but a savvy company could really cash in during these market spikes. Imagine if Magpul had been manufacturing 20% MORE stock than needed over the past 3 years and storing it ?
I understand that all the businesses are now run by MBAs who are lost without their Excel spreadsheets and historical data, but history only repeats itself when people don't change the mistakes they make. Why does the majority of our gun powder come from overseas ? Hodgdon gets the bulk of their materials from overseas. Why is the infrastructure not their to support a market ? I get you that it's counter productive to bitch and complain. But to me it's only bitching and complaining if you don't have suggestions for improvements.
I really don't understand why a smaller manufacturing company like Dillon can't provide a little better than 40-60 minute hold times on their phone. Then give you no real information on your order when they finally answer ? Come on. You can't hire more people ? put in more phones ? Tell people you are #52 in the queue, you were 120 last week, if the trickling of inventory maintains at current levels it should be real soon !. That is beyond the realm of doable ?
Honestly though these machines aren't forged on site. It's outsourced part by part. At some point you gotta say... my suppliers are taking too long to supply me with a small machined and threaded carbide part... time to find new suppliers.
I kinda feel you there Jacky, but I gotta admit. I'm really losing faith in this industry. This is not the FIRST surge in their market. They know it won't be the LAST. Yet across the board they have not increased their capacity to meet demands. I understand the cyclical events are spread out but a savvy company could really cash in during these market spikes. Imagine if Magpul had been manufacturing 20% MORE stock than needed over the past 3 years and storing it ?
I understand that all the businesses are now run by MBAs who are lost without their Excel spreadsheets and historical data, but history only repeats itself when people don't change the mistakes they make. Why does the majority of our gun powder come from overseas ? Hodgdon gets the bulk of their materials from overseas. Why is the infrastructure not their to support a market ? I get you that it's counter productive to bitch and complain. But to me it's only bitching and complaining if you don't have suggestions for improvements.
I really don't understand why a smaller manufacturing company like Dillon can't provide a little better than 40-60 minute hold times on their phone. Then give you no real information on your order when they finally answer ? Come on. You can't hire more people ? put in more phones ? Tell people you are #52 in the queue, you were 120 last week, if the trickling of inventory maintains at current levels it should be real soon !. That is beyond the realm of doable ?
Honestly though these machines aren't forged on site. It's outsourced part by part. At some point you gotta say... my suppliers are taking too long to supply me with a small machined and threaded carbide part... time to find new suppliers.
Quote from Reloader on March 21, 2013, 4:36 pmI'd bet every penny I have that you've never run a successful, product-based business in a volatile industry, have you there dash? You're flying blind, buddy. I don't have enough time to type out enough of a detailed explanation as to why your comment is driven by emotion rather than logic. Dillon has been selling these for decades, and probably would have sold you one at any point - at this point, you're the dude who went to the hardware store to get plywood the day before the hurricane hit, and they don't have any and you're ticked off about it. You don't hire a bunch of people just because there is a freak spike in demand, only to lay them off when things return to normal. You don't abandon your suppliers, with whom you've worked for years, to roll the dice on a new supplier who may or may not deliver the time frame and quality you expect. People are so damned impatient these days: GOTTA HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. Probably the same people who, when traffic is merging, ride the left lane as far as they can to cut as many people off who have been waiting in line as they can. Jerks.
I'm GLAD Dillon is doing it the way they do it. I just got my press after a 6 week wait that reminded me what the true meaning of patience is, and it is a solid, quality machine. WELL WORTH THE WAIT. Thanks Dillon.
I'd bet every penny I have that you've never run a successful, product-based business in a volatile industry, have you there dash? You're flying blind, buddy. I don't have enough time to type out enough of a detailed explanation as to why your comment is driven by emotion rather than logic. Dillon has been selling these for decades, and probably would have sold you one at any point - at this point, you're the dude who went to the hardware store to get plywood the day before the hurricane hit, and they don't have any and you're ticked off about it. You don't hire a bunch of people just because there is a freak spike in demand, only to lay them off when things return to normal. You don't abandon your suppliers, with whom you've worked for years, to roll the dice on a new supplier who may or may not deliver the time frame and quality you expect. People are so damned impatient these days: GOTTA HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. Probably the same people who, when traffic is merging, ride the left lane as far as they can to cut as many people off who have been waiting in line as they can. Jerks.
I'm GLAD Dillon is doing it the way they do it. I just got my press after a 6 week wait that reminded me what the true meaning of patience is, and it is a solid, quality machine. WELL WORTH THE WAIT. Thanks Dillon.
Quote from Reloader on March 22, 2013, 10:42 pmWell so airlar.. where to begin you moronic tool ? If you indeed would like to bet every dime you have you're on flapjack. I'll put my business track record next to yours any day. You can't even READ, numbnutz.
1. Nobody said abandon suppliers. Just said get new ones if the current ones can't meet or fill demand add to them (I know math probably isn't your strong suit). You don't have to go exclusive for manufacturing. Many businesses have gone to a model people who wear shoes call : Just In Time Manufacturing. It means they don't build a part till they get an order. Understand without pictures so far ? Well numbnutz, since you lit my wick, these business colleges (the better ones), will teach you that JITM is great in industries with.....drum roll..... statistically predictable DEMAND. I bet even your 3rd grade education will help you tell us if the firearm business is a market with predictable demand. I'll help you :no its not. It's actually RELIABLY unpredictable in it's spikes.
2. Hire them when demand gets high then let them go... Uh you mean kinda like the entire retail industry does every freakin Christmas ??? Uh yeah. See not every industry works like BurgerKing so you'll have to step away from your comfort zone. In a country with double digit unemployment you can easily hire these people called temps. Do they have those where you work down at the feed yard or are yall union ?3. More firearms have been sold in the last 4 months than in the previous 5 years. The majority of them to people who have never had a gun before. Thats a GOOD thing regardless of what you and your friends with 3 teeth on YouTube think. See it means new blood in the sport, new customers, and hopefully new voters. But I won't go there because most states don't allow non-functioning retards to vote. All those millions of guns will need amminishun. So the demand is going to persistently increase. I'm sure you think it's just a bunch of dummies stock piling all the ammo but no indeed there are millions of new gun owners who want to go shoot. 22 cal shortage is a good example. You typically wouldn't stock pile that to revolt or shoot the zombies or whatever you gomers think.
4. Finally I prefaced the note by saying THE INDUSTRY. I wasn't singling Dillon out. In fact the only company I DID mention was Hodgdon. I won't get into the complex issues of foreign supply chain, and international economics with you but suffice it to say it pains me that we are so heavily reliant on foreign manufacturing. Again Dillon made in USA I get it Airloid, but what they probably don't teach you at Vocational School is that all you have to do to say Made in the USA is assemble a bunch of parts in a USA territory. I'm not saying that's what Dillon does, I'm actually quite satisfied with Dillon but as I mentioned before and you obviously missed was THE INDUSTRY.
So anytime you wanna put your money where your teeth used to be and pony up those dimes, I'm right here. We can compare W-2's and I'll even give you credit for the disability checks.
Well so airlar.. where to begin you moronic tool ? If you indeed would like to bet every dime you have you're on flapjack. I'll put my business track record next to yours any day. You can't even READ, numbnutz.
1. Nobody said abandon suppliers. Just said get new ones if the current ones can't meet or fill demand add to them (I know math probably isn't your strong suit). You don't have to go exclusive for manufacturing. Many businesses have gone to a model people who wear shoes call : Just In Time Manufacturing. It means they don't build a part till they get an order. Understand without pictures so far ? Well numbnutz, since you lit my wick, these business colleges (the better ones), will teach you that JITM is great in industries with.....drum roll..... statistically predictable DEMAND. I bet even your 3rd grade education will help you tell us if the firearm business is a market with predictable demand. I'll help you :no its not. It's actually RELIABLY unpredictable in it's spikes.
2. Hire them when demand gets high then let them go... Uh you mean kinda like the entire retail industry does every freakin Christmas ??? Uh yeah. See not every industry works like BurgerKing so you'll have to step away from your comfort zone. In a country with double digit unemployment you can easily hire these people called temps. Do they have those where you work down at the feed yard or are yall union ?
3. More firearms have been sold in the last 4 months than in the previous 5 years. The majority of them to people who have never had a gun before. Thats a GOOD thing regardless of what you and your friends with 3 teeth on YouTube think. See it means new blood in the sport, new customers, and hopefully new voters. But I won't go there because most states don't allow non-functioning retards to vote. All those millions of guns will need amminishun. So the demand is going to persistently increase. I'm sure you think it's just a bunch of dummies stock piling all the ammo but no indeed there are millions of new gun owners who want to go shoot. 22 cal shortage is a good example. You typically wouldn't stock pile that to revolt or shoot the zombies or whatever you gomers think.
4. Finally I prefaced the note by saying THE INDUSTRY. I wasn't singling Dillon out. In fact the only company I DID mention was Hodgdon. I won't get into the complex issues of foreign supply chain, and international economics with you but suffice it to say it pains me that we are so heavily reliant on foreign manufacturing. Again Dillon made in USA I get it Airloid, but what they probably don't teach you at Vocational School is that all you have to do to say Made in the USA is assemble a bunch of parts in a USA territory. I'm not saying that's what Dillon does, I'm actually quite satisfied with Dillon but as I mentioned before and you obviously missed was THE INDUSTRY.
So anytime you wanna put your money where your teeth used to be and pony up those dimes, I'm right here. We can compare W-2's and I'll even give you credit for the disability checks.
Quote from Reloader on March 23, 2013, 12:45 amMan I hope you two (air and dash) dont meet up somewhere. Be a glowing oak on the horizon. Mushroom cloud. You know what I mean. Both you fellers hold good points about the whole situation but man, come on. We should be on the same side here. This post wasnt intended for those kind of responses toward each other. More toward getting people to stop and look around. Im going on week five, still waiting on my 650. Everything else I ordered on the original order shipped and came in the first week. Im in no big hurry and if I have to wait for quality ill just wait. I wouldnt want Dillon to throw some prints and numbers at extra companies and rush them to get the parts out in a hurry. You would end up with a heap of junk you wish you would have never purchaced. The ones that are doing most of the complaining are the ones just now getting in to reloading and they want the baddest assest machine on the market and thats a Dillon. I should have my but kicked for not already having mine and dont think I havent been kickin my own ass for waiting.
Man I hope you two (air and dash) dont meet up somewhere. Be a glowing oak on the horizon. Mushroom cloud. You know what I mean. Both you fellers hold good points about the whole situation but man, come on. We should be on the same side here. This post wasnt intended for those kind of responses toward each other. More toward getting people to stop and look around. Im going on week five, still waiting on my 650. Everything else I ordered on the original order shipped and came in the first week. Im in no big hurry and if I have to wait for quality ill just wait. I wouldnt want Dillon to throw some prints and numbers at extra companies and rush them to get the parts out in a hurry. You would end up with a heap of junk you wish you would have never purchaced. The ones that are doing most of the complaining are the ones just now getting in to reloading and they want the baddest assest machine on the market and thats a Dillon. I should have my but kicked for not already having mine and dont think I havent been kickin my own ass for waiting.
Quote from Reloader on March 23, 2013, 2:49 amWell so airlar.. where to begin you moronic tool ? If you indeed would like to bet every dime you have you're on flapjack. I'll put my business track record next to yours any day. You can't even READ, numbnutz.
1. Nobody said abandon suppliers. Just said get new ones if the current ones can't meet or fill demand add to them (I know math probably isn't your strong suit). You don't have to go exclusive for manufacturing. Many businesses have gone to a model people who wear shoes call : Just In Time Manufacturing. It means they don't build a part till they get an order. Understand without pictures so far ? Well numbnutz, since you lit my wick, these business colleges (the better ones), will teach you that JITM is great in industries with.....drum roll..... statistically predictable DEMAND. I bet even your 3rd grade education will help you tell us if the firearm business is a market with predictable demand. I'll help you :no its not. It's actually RELIABLY unpredictable in it's spikes.
2. Hire them when demand gets high then let them go... Uh you mean kinda like the entire retail industry does every freakin Christmas ??? Uh yeah. See not every industry works like BurgerKing so you'll have to step away from your comfort zone. In a country with double digit unemployment you can easily hire these people called temps. Do they have those where you work down at the feed yard or are yall union ?3. More firearms have been sold in the last 4 months than in the previous 5 years. The majority of them to people who have never had a gun before. Thats a GOOD thing regardless of what you and your friends with 3 teeth on YouTube think. See it means new blood in the sport, new customers, and hopefully new voters. But I won't go there because most states don't allow non-functioning retards to vote. All those millions of guns will need amminishun. So the demand is going to persistently increase. I'm sure you think it's just a bunch of dummies stock piling all the ammo but no indeed there are millions of new gun owners who want to go shoot. 22 cal shortage is a good example. You typically wouldn't stock pile that to revolt or shoot the zombies or whatever you gomers think.
4. Finally I prefaced the note by saying THE INDUSTRY. I wasn't singling Dillon out. In fact the only company I DID mention was Hodgdon. I won't get into the complex issues of foreign supply chain, and international economics with you but suffice it to say it pains me that we are so heavily reliant on foreign manufacturing. Again Dillon made in USA I get it Airloid, but what they probably don't teach you at Vocational School is that all you have to do to say Made in the USA is assemble a bunch of parts in a USA territory. I'm not saying that's what Dillon does, I'm actually quite satisfied with Dillon but as I mentioned before and you obviously missed was THE INDUSTRY.
So anytime you wanna put your money where your teeth used to be and pony up those dimes, I'm right here. We can compare W-2's and I'll even give you credit for the disability checks.
Well so airlar.. where to begin you moronic tool ? If you indeed would like to bet every dime you have you're on flapjack. I'll put my business track record next to yours any day. You can't even READ, numbnutz.
1. Nobody said abandon suppliers. Just said get new ones if the current ones can't meet or fill demand add to them (I know math probably isn't your strong suit). You don't have to go exclusive for manufacturing. Many businesses have gone to a model people who wear shoes call : Just In Time Manufacturing. It means they don't build a part till they get an order. Understand without pictures so far ? Well numbnutz, since you lit my wick, these business colleges (the better ones), will teach you that JITM is great in industries with.....drum roll..... statistically predictable DEMAND. I bet even your 3rd grade education will help you tell us if the firearm business is a market with predictable demand. I'll help you :no its not. It's actually RELIABLY unpredictable in it's spikes.
2. Hire them when demand gets high then let them go... Uh you mean kinda like the entire retail industry does every freakin Christmas ??? Uh yeah. See not every industry works like BurgerKing so you'll have to step away from your comfort zone. In a country with double digit unemployment you can easily hire these people called temps. Do they have those where you work down at the feed yard or are yall union ?
3. More firearms have been sold in the last 4 months than in the previous 5 years. The majority of them to people who have never had a gun before. Thats a GOOD thing regardless of what you and your friends with 3 teeth on YouTube think. See it means new blood in the sport, new customers, and hopefully new voters. But I won't go there because most states don't allow non-functioning retards to vote. All those millions of guns will need amminishun. So the demand is going to persistently increase. I'm sure you think it's just a bunch of dummies stock piling all the ammo but no indeed there are millions of new gun owners who want to go shoot. 22 cal shortage is a good example. You typically wouldn't stock pile that to revolt or shoot the zombies or whatever you gomers think.
4. Finally I prefaced the note by saying THE INDUSTRY. I wasn't singling Dillon out. In fact the only company I DID mention was Hodgdon. I won't get into the complex issues of foreign supply chain, and international economics with you but suffice it to say it pains me that we are so heavily reliant on foreign manufacturing. Again Dillon made in USA I get it Airloid, but what they probably don't teach you at Vocational School is that all you have to do to say Made in the USA is assemble a bunch of parts in a USA territory. I'm not saying that's what Dillon does, I'm actually quite satisfied with Dillon but as I mentioned before and you obviously missed was THE INDUSTRY.
So anytime you wanna put your money where your teeth used to be and pony up those dimes, I'm right here. We can compare W-2's and I'll even give you credit for the disability checks.
Quote from Reloader on April 2, 2013, 7:14 pmwhat's your advice for someone who has had thier press and accesories delivered but is still waiting for dies beyond 8 weeks?
what's your advice for someone who has had thier press and accesories delivered but is still waiting for dies beyond 8 weeks?
Quote from Reloader on April 3, 2013, 2:40 amDepends on the dies. If you ordered .223 dies it will be a while. They are most likely backed way up on anything like 223,45 Auto,308. Send an e-mail if you are over 8 weeks. Man it may have got left out. Never know. I e-mailed three weeks ago and got a reply in two days. My press shipprd today and should be here this week which makes 6 weeks on the spot. I noticed that I was charged shipping for it but the shipping was charged to the first part of the order that I recieved 4 weeks ago. Im not going to call and raise no hell about it though. Dont bother calling man you will be on hold for ever. E-mail them and they will make it right or at least let you know where you are at in line and how much longer to expect.
Depends on the dies. If you ordered .223 dies it will be a while. They are most likely backed way up on anything like 223,45 Auto,308. Send an e-mail if you are over 8 weeks. Man it may have got left out. Never know. I e-mailed three weeks ago and got a reply in two days. My press shipprd today and should be here this week which makes 6 weeks on the spot. I noticed that I was charged shipping for it but the shipping was charged to the first part of the order that I recieved 4 weeks ago. Im not going to call and raise no hell about it though. Dont bother calling man you will be on hold for ever. E-mail them and they will make it right or at least let you know where you are at in line and how much longer to expect.