powder spillage
Quote from Reloader on September 26, 2011, 10:28 pmI have a small niggly issue with my XL650
Im loading 9mm's with 3.6 grns of powder which is almost a full load (New Gun)
when the shell plate indexes a small amount of powder flicks out of the cases in station 3 and 4
not enough to cause inconsistent loads (only 1 or 2 flakes)
But it does make a Mess when loading 200~300 rnds.
is there a way to slow down the final part of indexing to eliminate this.
If i slow down the handle movement it has no effect on the shell plate at the end of travel
what i have been doing is placing projectile in station 3 as shell plate is lowering to manually stop the shell plate fast travel and powder issue but its slowing down my loading timeany input would be appreciated
I have a small niggly issue with my XL650
Im loading 9mm's with 3.6 grns of powder which is almost a full load (New Gun)
when the shell plate indexes a small amount of powder flicks out of the cases in station 3 and 4
not enough to cause inconsistent loads (only 1 or 2 flakes)
But it does make a Mess when loading 200~300 rnds.
is there a way to slow down the final part of indexing to eliminate this.
If i slow down the handle movement it has no effect on the shell plate at the end of travel
what i have been doing is placing projectile in station 3 as shell plate is lowering to manually stop the shell plate fast travel and powder issue but its slowing down my loading time
any input would be appreciated
Quote from Reloader on September 27, 2011, 3:04 pmIt sounds like the shellplate bolt needs to be a bit tighter. To check, push down on the edge of the shellplate at station 4. If it feels springy, then tighten the bolt a bit more. If you lightly grease the underside of the shellplate bolt, then you can run it tighter. If the problem persists, you can cut off 1/2 coil from the bottom of the detent ball spring as well.
It sounds like the shellplate bolt needs to be a bit tighter. To check, push down on the edge of the shellplate at station 4. If it feels springy, then tighten the bolt a bit more. If you lightly grease the underside of the shellplate bolt, then you can run it tighter. If the problem persists, you can cut off 1/2 coil from the bottom of the detent ball spring as well.
Quote from Reloader on September 29, 2011, 10:58 amHi Aussie, I have two new 650s doing the same thing. I called dillon and they know its an issue. The told me to try cutting of one coil on the spring that controls the detent ball under the shell plate. I found that the tighter the shell plate bolt the better, I also put a sring in that had more coils. It still does it. I just tighten the best I can without braking the indexing plastic ring and put a bullet on top of the case before the detent ball makes the snap. This helps alot. They know of this and why they have not fixed it I don't know.
Hi Aussie, I have two new 650s doing the same thing. I called dillon and they know its an issue. The told me to try cutting of one coil on the spring that controls the detent ball under the shell plate. I found that the tighter the shell plate bolt the better, I also put a sring in that had more coils. It still does it. I just tighten the best I can without braking the indexing plastic ring and put a bullet on top of the case before the detent ball makes the snap. This helps alot. They know of this and why they have not fixed it I don't know.
Quote from Reloader on September 29, 2011, 12:53 pmgreaseing heavily as suggested seems to work
i loaded 250 rnds and seemed a lot better.
cahnged to .3576 mag so when i change back ill keep a eye on it.
my press has only loaded about 3,000rnds so maybe it will get better.
Its not a real dram just causes some Mess
greaseing heavily as suggested seems to work
i loaded 250 rnds and seemed a lot better.
cahnged to .3576 mag so when i change back ill keep a eye on it.
my press has only loaded about 3,000rnds so maybe it will get better.
Its not a real dram just causes some Mess
Quote from Reloader on October 1, 2011, 6:48 amI had the same issue when I first set up my 650 loading 9mm with 4.5 grains VV N320. Lots of powder splash and very inconsistent loads. A search on these boards revealed the trim the detent ball spring fix. I carefully removed 1/2 coil and tried again, still had splash so I cut another 1/2 coil. Tried that and had only a little splash so I cut 1/4 coil and it runs smooth with no splash now. I also kept the shell plate snugged down and backed off just enough to allow it to turn so my splash was not from a loose shell plate. After trimming the spring I have loaded about 3,000 9mm rounds and have 3,000 more to load in the near future.
As the shell plate turns and the detent ball pops up it brings the plate to a rapid stop which causes the splash of powder, ot least that is how it appeared to me.
I had the same issue when I first set up my 650 loading 9mm with 4.5 grains VV N320. Lots of powder splash and very inconsistent loads. A search on these boards revealed the trim the detent ball spring fix. I carefully removed 1/2 coil and tried again, still had splash so I cut another 1/2 coil. Tried that and had only a little splash so I cut 1/4 coil and it runs smooth with no splash now. I also kept the shell plate snugged down and backed off just enough to allow it to turn so my splash was not from a loose shell plate. After trimming the spring I have loaded about 3,000 9mm rounds and have 3,000 more to load in the near future.
As the shell plate turns and the detent ball pops up it brings the plate to a rapid stop which causes the splash of powder, ot least that is how it appeared to me.
Quote from Reloader on December 24, 2011, 2:24 amadmin3,
Couldn't tell you what the length is, but I will try to remember to measure the spring next time I have the shell plate off. If I get to the range tomorrow I may just be doing a shell plate switch to restock what I use.
admin3,
Couldn't tell you what the length is, but I will try to remember to measure the spring next time I have the shell plate off. If I get to the range tomorrow I may just be doing a shell plate switch to restock what I use.
Quote from Reloader on January 28, 2012, 2:02 amWhat I do is simply have my left thumb on the shell plate and I slow the shell plate down once the shell plate advances to control the shell plate slap. I have a bullet being held with my index and middle finger and the thumb slowing down the shellplate. It greatly reduces powder spillage.
What I do is simply have my left thumb on the shell plate and I slow the shell plate down once the shell plate advances to control the shell plate slap. I have a bullet being held with my index and middle finger and the thumb slowing down the shellplate. It greatly reduces powder spillage.
Quote from Reloader on July 10, 2012, 6:23 pmHas Dillon addressed this problem yet. I am new to the XL 650, only have it a week. This topic seems pretty old. I switched from 38 specials, (no jumping powder due to case size) to 40 S&W last night and I am getting a mess due to powder jumping all over the place. I have the shell plate tight as possible without locking it up completely. I guess I will try cutting down the spring tonight. Any other fixes for this problem since it's been about 6 months since the last post? I actually have been able to minimize the problem by slowing down but I have to go so slow that it defeats the purpose of the high capacity loader. There is no way to achieve the published specifications for output on this press without the powder jumping all over the place. I can't imagine what is going to happen when I switch to 9mm.
Has Dillon addressed this problem yet. I am new to the XL 650, only have it a week. This topic seems pretty old. I switched from 38 specials, (no jumping powder due to case size) to 40 S&W last night and I am getting a mess due to powder jumping all over the place. I have the shell plate tight as possible without locking it up completely. I guess I will try cutting down the spring tonight. Any other fixes for this problem since it's been about 6 months since the last post? I actually have been able to minimize the problem by slowing down but I have to go so slow that it defeats the purpose of the high capacity loader. There is no way to achieve the published specifications for output on this press without the powder jumping all over the place. I can't imagine what is going to happen when I switch to 9mm.