Sizing Problems
Quote from Reloader on February 29, 2008, 8:18 amGreatings to all
While loading 45/38/357 I have found the cartridge does not line up with the sizer. In order to line up with the die I pull the top of the cartridge on the direction of the center of the shell plate, this issue occures more often then not. I have:
1. Made sure the ejector wire is not touching the shell plate.
2. Installed the shell plate just loose enough to rotate.
3. Inserted a shell case in the die before tightening the lock ring.
4. Adjusted and readjusted the Case insert slide and slide cam.
And I qualifed under Title 18 USC @926 (C) (a) 🙂
Thanks
Greatings to all
While loading 45/38/357 I have found the cartridge does not line up with the sizer. In order to line up with the die I pull the top of the cartridge on the direction of the center of the shell plate, this issue occures more often then not. I have:
1. Made sure the ejector wire is not touching the shell plate.
2. Installed the shell plate just loose enough to rotate.
3. Inserted a shell case in the die before tightening the lock ring.
4. Adjusted and readjusted the Case insert slide and slide cam.
And I qualifed under Title 18 USC @926 (C) (a) 🙂
Thanks
Quote from Reloader on February 29, 2008, 6:33 pmHere are a few things to check:
Push down on the edge of the shellplate at station 4. If it feels springy, then the shellplate bolt needs to be tightened more. Next, if you have an early 650 with a spring underneath the station one locator, remove the spring! Apply a light coat of grease to the underside of the station one locator to dampen vibrations. Adjust the camming pin height with a primed case in station two. If adjusted without a case there, the plunger pushes the case further into the shellplate than it will when actually reloading. The primer seating punch against the face of the primer serves as the actual forward stop for the handle.
Here are a few things to check:
Push down on the edge of the shellplate at station 4. If it feels springy, then the shellplate bolt needs to be tightened more. Next, if you have an early 650 with a spring underneath the station one locator, remove the spring! Apply a light coat of grease to the underside of the station one locator to dampen vibrations. Adjust the camming pin height with a primed case in station two. If adjusted without a case there, the plunger pushes the case further into the shellplate than it will when actually reloading. The primer seating punch against the face of the primer serves as the actual forward stop for the handle.
Quote from Reloader on October 6, 2009, 3:17 amMy 650 has exactly the same problem. I just sent an e-mail to tech support explaining the problem, before I found this forum and this post.
I tried the suggestions, pulling the lever down which inserts a fired cartridge in the re-sizing die, while lossening and tightening the lock ring on the die. I also checked under the shell plate, no spring under #1. I cleaned the surface, light coating of grease, tightened the bolt, backed off 1/16 turn. If I pull on the mainshaft or platform, away from #1, the machine gets very reliable. If there was a way to move the tool plate, problem would be solved, but no way to do that.
I am using a Lee carbide 9mm resizing die, the entrance seems to be tapered, but the edge of the cartridge still gets hung up on the entrance. No pattern, I can go for half a dozen rounds with no problem, then all of a sudden the problem repeats. I usually just reach over with my finger and pull on the cartridge.
I realize the machine is line-bored and alignment should be perfect, same with the consistancy of the machine work on the tool plates.
I'm puzzled, wonder who else has this problem.
I'm not new to this, I've had the 650 for more than 15 years and load other calibers. I've had the problem with .40cal too, but using RCBS carbide dies.
Jim
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My 650 has exactly the same problem. I just sent an e-mail to tech support explaining the problem, before I found this forum and this post.
I tried the suggestions, pulling the lever down which inserts a fired cartridge in the re-sizing die, while lossening and tightening the lock ring on the die. I also checked under the shell plate, no spring under #1. I cleaned the surface, light coating of grease, tightened the bolt, backed off 1/16 turn. If I pull on the mainshaft or platform, away from #1, the machine gets very reliable. If there was a way to move the tool plate, problem would be solved, but no way to do that.
I am using a Lee carbide 9mm resizing die, the entrance seems to be tapered, but the edge of the cartridge still gets hung up on the entrance. No pattern, I can go for half a dozen rounds with no problem, then all of a sudden the problem repeats. I usually just reach over with my finger and pull on the cartridge.
I realize the machine is line-bored and alignment should be perfect, same with the consistancy of the machine work on the tool plates.
I'm puzzled, wonder who else has this problem.
I'm not new to this, I've had the 650 for more than 15 years and load other calibers. I've had the problem with .40cal too, but using RCBS carbide dies.
Jim
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Quote from Reloader on October 6, 2009, 1:57 pmWhen you adjust the camming pin (#13371) to allow the plunger to push the case further into the shellplate, be sure you have a case with a primer in station two, as well as a case in station one. The forward stop for handle travel is the primer seating punch against the primer when you push forward on the handle. If no primed case is present in station two, the handle travels further than it will when you are actually reloading. You can use a fired case with a spent primer in it to set this adjustment.
When you adjust the camming pin (#13371) to allow the plunger to push the case further into the shellplate, be sure you have a case with a primer in station two, as well as a case in station one. The forward stop for handle travel is the primer seating punch against the primer when you push forward on the handle. If no primed case is present in station two, the handle travels further than it will when you are actually reloading. You can use a fired case with a spent primer in it to set this adjustment.
Quote from Reloader on October 6, 2009, 6:00 pmI have searched this site and followed all of the suggestions. The camming pin has been adjusted following the instructions, having cartridges in #1 and #2, with a primer in #2. The cartridge appears to be in the shell plate all the way. There is enough slop in all shell plate locations where each cartridge can wiggle somewhat. At random, I need to reach in with my finger and slightly lean the top of the cartridge over to match with the entrance of the Lee carbide sizing die. I haven't made a measurement of the amount of movement required, if I had to guess, .005 - .020". The re-sizing station is the only one that is picky. I wish there was a way I could move the sizing die over a tiny bit. I'm tempted to pull the two pins from the tool plate to allow it to float slightly. If there was a way to move the center of the shell plate over a hair I would do that too.
Still thinking of ideas.
Jim Session data
I have searched this site and followed all of the suggestions. The camming pin has been adjusted following the instructions, having cartridges in #1 and #2, with a primer in #2. The cartridge appears to be in the shell plate all the way. There is enough slop in all shell plate locations where each cartridge can wiggle somewhat. At random, I need to reach in with my finger and slightly lean the top of the cartridge over to match with the entrance of the Lee carbide sizing die. I haven't made a measurement of the amount of movement required, if I had to guess, .005 - .020". The re-sizing station is the only one that is picky. I wish there was a way I could move the sizing die over a tiny bit. I'm tempted to pull the two pins from the tool plate to allow it to float slightly. If there was a way to move the center of the shell plate over a hair I would do that too.
Still thinking of ideas.
Jim Session data
Quote from Reloader on October 8, 2009, 2:03 pmYou can also align the die in the toolhead by loosening the die lock ring, running a fired case up into the die, and with the case up in the die tighten the lock ring. Beyond that, I suggest you phone us for assistance when you can be in front of the machine.
You can also align the die in the toolhead by loosening the die lock ring, running a fired case up into the die, and with the case up in the die tighten the lock ring. Beyond that, I suggest you phone us for assistance when you can be in front of the machine.