What am I doing wrong?
Quote from Reloader on August 11, 2016, 1:59 amBought a used 550B, got it set up on a strong mount, & wanting to load for .223. I have the dies set up per the instructions in my manual. When I go to put a case in station one & run it through the cycle, the neck size on the case does not open up big enough to accept a bullet after it comes out of the sizing die. The neck size is 0.218" & bullet size is .223 (of course). That would shave off part of the bullet in station 3 when I seat it, would it not? Am I missing something here?
BTW I called Dillon CS about this & they said I likely have a universal decapping die. It does not have an expanding ball on it. The CS rep says I need a sizing die, so I order one. It arrives in the mail today & it looks just like the one I currently have & both say Dillon .223 Sizing Die. The only difference I see is the one I already had did not have the expander ball on it. Now I have 2 sizing dies it looks like. SMH.
I am obviously new to this, please help me understand. Thank you.
Bought a used 550B, got it set up on a strong mount, & wanting to load for .223. I have the dies set up per the instructions in my manual. When I go to put a case in station one & run it through the cycle, the neck size on the case does not open up big enough to accept a bullet after it comes out of the sizing die. The neck size is 0.218" & bullet size is .223 (of course). That would shave off part of the bullet in station 3 when I seat it, would it not? Am I missing something here?
BTW I called Dillon CS about this & they said I likely have a universal decapping die. It does not have an expanding ball on it. The CS rep says I need a sizing die, so I order one. It arrives in the mail today & it looks just like the one I currently have & both say Dillon .223 Sizing Die. The only difference I see is the one I already had did not have the expander ball on it. Now I have 2 sizing dies it looks like. SMH.
I am obviously new to this, please help me understand. Thank you.
Quote from Reloader on August 11, 2016, 8:01 amYour ok, just use the die without ball to decap, then change die to properly resize and prime. You can also just use the one with the ball.
Your ok, just use the die without ball to decap, then change die to properly resize and prime. You can also just use the one with the ball.
Quote from Reloader on August 11, 2016, 10:13 amSo you are saying the 0.218 neck size is okay to load a .223 bullet into? Was I duped into buying a $51 die by the Dillon CS rep that I did not need then? With both dies I am getting the same neck sizes.
The only reason I am asking this question is cause my cousin has the same press & his neck sizes are around 0.222 or better. I would think shaving off part of the jacket on the bullet would effect accuracy, which is what would happen trying to jam a .223 size object into a 0.218 sized hole.
So you are saying the 0.218 neck size is okay to load a .223 bullet into? Was I duped into buying a $51 die by the Dillon CS rep that I did not need then? With both dies I am getting the same neck sizes.
The only reason I am asking this question is cause my cousin has the same press & his neck sizes are around 0.222 or better. I would think shaving off part of the jacket on the bullet would effect accuracy, which is what would happen trying to jam a .223 size object into a 0.218 sized hole.
Quote from Reloader on August 11, 2016, 5:13 pmThe expander ball measures .222" It sounds like the 223 die you first received did not have an expander ball on it. Contact us for a return authorization. Keep the expander ball from the new die, and we will refund you the cost of the die less the cost of the expander ball.
Unlike loading handgun cartridges, you don't flare the case mouth on bottleneck rifle rounds. You can load without the expander ball. If loading flat-based bullets, you do need to chamfer the inside of the case mouth. If loading boat-tailed bullets, no other action is required.
The expander ball measures .222" It sounds like the 223 die you first received did not have an expander ball on it. Contact us for a return authorization. Keep the expander ball from the new die, and we will refund you the cost of the die less the cost of the expander ball.
Unlike loading handgun cartridges, you don't flare the case mouth on bottleneck rifle rounds. You can load without the expander ball. If loading flat-based bullets, you do need to chamfer the inside of the case mouth. If loading boat-tailed bullets, no other action is required.
Quote from Reloader on August 11, 2016, 9:56 pmThank you for the explanation dillon. That makes a bit more sense.
You say I do not need the expander ball to load boat tail bullets, I get that now. Loading flat based bullets, is that where the expander ball come into the play? Does it chamfer the inside of the mouth to accept the flat bullet, or what exactly does it do if not?
Also, on the return authorization, do I need to call or e-mail? Will they send a return shipping label? I feel my issue was misdiagnosed by your CS rep, selling me something I already had (unknown to me, being inexperienced with the machine & trusting what I was told by the manufacture) instead of just what I needed. The expander ball.
Thank you for the explanation dillon. That makes a bit more sense.
You say I do not need the expander ball to load boat tail bullets, I get that now. Loading flat based bullets, is that where the expander ball come into the play? Does it chamfer the inside of the mouth to accept the flat bullet, or what exactly does it do if not?
Also, on the return authorization, do I need to call or e-mail? Will they send a return shipping label? I feel my issue was misdiagnosed by your CS rep, selling me something I already had (unknown to me, being inexperienced with the machine & trusting what I was told by the manufacture) instead of just what I needed. The expander ball.
Quote from Reloader on August 12, 2016, 4:38 pmA boat-tailed bullet acts like its' own expander. A flat based bullet needs the case to already be expanded enough that attempting to seat the bullet does not crush the case mouth.
The expander ball does not chamfer the case mouth. This is done using a separate case mouth chamfering tool. Mostly this tool is used to deburr the case mouth after trimming, and remove the sharp, square edge that is left behind after trimming.
Please email us, include your customer number and address. In this instance we can send a return label, either by email (you print it) or by mailing one to you. Let us know which way.
A boat-tailed bullet acts like its' own expander. A flat based bullet needs the case to already be expanded enough that attempting to seat the bullet does not crush the case mouth.
The expander ball does not chamfer the case mouth. This is done using a separate case mouth chamfering tool. Mostly this tool is used to deburr the case mouth after trimming, and remove the sharp, square edge that is left behind after trimming.
Please email us, include your customer number and address. In this instance we can send a return label, either by email (you print it) or by mailing one to you. Let us know which way.