XL650 priming system
Quote from Reloader on November 17, 2014, 3:52 amI just upgraded from a RL550 to the XL650, and while the 650 is quite a bit nicer and faster, I find the priming system a little annoying. The first annoyance is that staring from an empty machine, when you load up the primers, you need to cycle the machine six times before you add cases in order to have the first case and first primer line up in the machine. It would be ideal if you could load up cases and primers at the same time and have everything line up. The second annoyance is if a primer is not used for whatever reason, it gets dropped onto a ramp (which has roughly a 50/50 chance of catching it or launching it across the bench) rather than going around to get used the next time around. What is the reason it was designed this way? With the 550 (And Square Deals), if a primer wasn't used, it stayed in the cup and simply didn't allow the next primer to drop. If the primer were to go around again in this system, It seems it would do the same thing (prevent a primer from dropping and continue on). The only 'issue' I can see with the primer going around is that the mechanism that advances it uses the primer holes, however, I would think that it could have been designed to not use the primer holes. Except for this 'design feature', IMO, the priming system in the 650 is much better than that of the 550.
I just upgraded from a RL550 to the XL650, and while the 650 is quite a bit nicer and faster, I find the priming system a little annoying. The first annoyance is that staring from an empty machine, when you load up the primers, you need to cycle the machine six times before you add cases in order to have the first case and first primer line up in the machine. It would be ideal if you could load up cases and primers at the same time and have everything line up. The second annoyance is if a primer is not used for whatever reason, it gets dropped onto a ramp (which has roughly a 50/50 chance of catching it or launching it across the bench) rather than going around to get used the next time around. What is the reason it was designed this way? With the 550 (And Square Deals), if a primer wasn't used, it stayed in the cup and simply didn't allow the next primer to drop. If the primer were to go around again in this system, It seems it would do the same thing (prevent a primer from dropping and continue on). The only 'issue' I can see with the primer going around is that the mechanism that advances it uses the primer holes, however, I would think that it could have been designed to not use the primer holes. Except for this 'design feature', IMO, the priming system in the 650 is much better than that of the 550.
Quote from Reloader on November 19, 2014, 6:53 pmThere's a guy that makes a couple of useful accessories for the 650 priming system.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/subinc/m.html?item=281094732312&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
I have both and find them very helpful. Don't know how one could design a system that would keep an unused primer in the system, I think it would make the feeding of a new primer into a hole already occupied by an unused primer.
There's a guy that makes a couple of useful accessories for the 650 priming system.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/subinc/m.html?item=281094732312&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
I have both and find them very helpful. Don't know how one could design a system that would keep an unused primer in the system, I think it would make the feeding of a new primer into a hole already occupied by an unused primer.
Quote from Reloader on November 19, 2014, 8:33 pmThose are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Those are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Quote from Reloader on November 19, 2014, 9:41 pmThose are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Those are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Quote from Reloader on November 19, 2014, 10:15 pmThose are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Those are pretty neat - I certainly have had a 'few' spent primers find their way onto my bench.
As far as the new primer trying to feed into the occupied hole, as long as the disk is about the same thickness as the primer (I haven't looked close), then the new pimer should clide over the occupied hole, similar to how a new primer doesn't try to drop into the occupied cup on the 550.
Quote from Reloader on November 21, 2014, 5:48 pmIf the primer slid over the occupied hole, it would still have to go somewhere. To me, having the unused primer drop out before getting to the primer feed position is a simpler solution. Doesn't matter much to me which way they do it.
If the primer slid over the occupied hole, it would still have to go somewhere. To me, having the unused primer drop out before getting to the primer feed position is a simpler solution. Doesn't matter much to me which way they do it.
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I used to feel the same as you, as I came from a Square Deal B to a 650. Now I actually prefer the 650 priming system. You can advance the primers by moving the lever. If you don't want it to advance primers, remove the cam.
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I used to feel the same as you, as I came from a Square Deal B to a 650. Now I actually prefer the 650 priming system. You can advance the primers by moving the lever. If you don't want it to advance primers, remove the cam.
Quote from Reloader on January 11, 2015, 5:28 amYou can install an upgrade that catches the unused primers in a small plastic vile. It works well on my machine. You can also get an upgraded used primer collection system. The plastic tube drops the used primers into a plastic jar. It also works well with and without the strongarm mounts.
You can install an upgrade that catches the unused primers in a small plastic vile. It works well on my machine. You can also get an upgraded used primer collection system. The plastic tube drops the used primers into a plastic jar. It also works well with and without the strongarm mounts.
Quote from Reloader on May 25, 2018, 6:01 pmI'm still looking for the answer to your questions. Unfortunately, Dillon isn't one of the people who responded to your post.
I agree that the SDB primer system for me was much easier to use, and I didn't worry about primers rolling down the chute and hopping the lip at the end to wind up on the floor.I'd like to see them revamp the priming system so that the machine will not push an unused primer out. If there's a problem with a case in Station #1, then I've got a gap and that means that primer will be sent to the unused primer chute.
I'm still looking for the answer to your questions. Unfortunately, Dillon isn't one of the people who responded to your post.
I agree that the SDB primer system for me was much easier to use, and I didn't worry about primers rolling down the chute and hopping the lip at the end to wind up on the floor.
I'd like to see them revamp the priming system so that the machine will not push an unused primer out. If there's a problem with a case in Station #1, then I've got a gap and that means that primer will be sent to the unused primer chute.