22TCM set up on XL650
Quote from Reloader on October 27, 2014, 3:09 pmI just received my Hordady dies along with 500 bullets. Has anyone loaded these on a 650? Since the case is based on a .223 I'm assuming I can use the .223 shell plate, buttons, and station #1 locator along with 9mm casefeeder parts. What about the powder drop tube? .223? .221 Fireball? The dies have a seperate flaring die. Can I flare after the powder drop? If so I guess I could flare at station 4 and seat/crimp at station 5 and keep the powder check? Any input is appreciated.
I just received my Hordady dies along with 500 bullets. Has anyone loaded these on a 650? Since the case is based on a .223 I'm assuming I can use the .223 shell plate, buttons, and station #1 locator along with 9mm casefeeder parts. What about the powder drop tube? .223? .221 Fireball? The dies have a seperate flaring die. Can I flare after the powder drop? If so I guess I could flare at station 4 and seat/crimp at station 5 and keep the powder check? Any input is appreciated.
Quote from Reloader on October 29, 2014, 9:50 amI think the powder drop funnel is going to be the harder part.
I expect #A Powder Funnel - #13426 will go down far enough. Might try a #223 WSSM Powder Funnel - #18417. It is not too hard to make a custom powder funnel. If the WSSM powder funnel works then I think you will be able to skip the separate case flare die. Thus station 1: full length resize and deprime. Station 2: powder and flare. Station 3: low powder measure. Station 4 bullet seat. Station 5 neck crimp if needed.
May have to make a custom casefeeder body bushing from a 9mm CF (grind out some space to allow the case to slide over).
The small rifle and small pistol casefeed disk will have to be tested to see which feeds better.
I think the powder drop funnel is going to be the harder part.
I expect #A Powder Funnel - #13426 will go down far enough. Might try a #223 WSSM Powder Funnel - #18417. It is not too hard to make a custom powder funnel. If the WSSM powder funnel works then I think you will be able to skip the separate case flare die. Thus station 1: full length resize and deprime. Station 2: powder and flare. Station 3: low powder measure. Station 4 bullet seat. Station 5 neck crimp if needed.
May have to make a custom casefeeder body bushing from a 9mm CF (grind out some space to allow the case to slide over).
The small rifle and small pistol casefeed disk will have to be tested to see which feeds better.
Quote from Reloader on October 29, 2014, 11:41 pmWe do not make a powder funnel long enough for the 22 TCM. It would need to be the same length as our 9mm powder funnel, but with a female opening at the end. If the funnel also flared the case mouth the hole in the center for powder to pass through would be so tiny that powder would jam up in it.
We do not make a powder funnel long enough for the 22 TCM. It would need to be the same length as our 9mm powder funnel, but with a female opening at the end. If the funnel also flared the case mouth the hole in the center for powder to pass through would be so tiny that powder would jam up in it.
Quote from Reloader on October 30, 2014, 1:47 pmThanks for the responses.
I sat down and took a few measurements. A .223 case is 1.75". A TCM case measured 1.03". That's 0.72 difference. Would it be as simple as screwing the powder die down that much further? The powder die on my .223 toolhead appears to have enough threads left to do that with a few to spare. Or am I missing something? I am new to this cartridge and fairly new to the 650. I've loaded around 3000 rounds of 9mm, 45, 40, and .223 so far with no major hiccups.
Thanks for the responses.
I sat down and took a few measurements. A .223 case is 1.75". A TCM case measured 1.03". That's 0.72 difference. Would it be as simple as screwing the powder die down that much further? The powder die on my .223 toolhead appears to have enough threads left to do that with a few to spare. Or am I missing something? I am new to this cartridge and fairly new to the 650. I've loaded around 3000 rounds of 9mm, 45, 40, and .223 so far with no major hiccups.
Quote from Reloader on October 30, 2014, 4:20 pmlcb, according to my Lyman manual the wssm is 0.08" shorter than the .223. That's approximately equal to one thread on the powder die. Good info. Thanks
lcb, according to my Lyman manual the wssm is 0.08" shorter than the .223. That's approximately equal to one thread on the powder die. Good info. Thanks
Quote from Reloader on October 31, 2014, 4:59 amIt is going to take making a custom powder drop. Dillon implies the 223 powder funnel will not work - I believe them. But you can try it, based on trying to load FN5.7, I believe them.
A customer powder drop dies is not hard to make using the 9mm and 223 as guides. Sounds like using station 3 for case flare or chamber the neck before loading. That way station 3 can be used for low powder check.
It is going to take making a custom powder drop. Dillon implies the 223 powder funnel will not work - I believe them. But you can try it, based on trying to load FN5.7, I believe them.
A customer powder drop dies is not hard to make using the 9mm and 223 as guides. Sounds like using station 3 for case flare or chamber the neck before loading. That way station 3 can be used for low powder check.
Quote from Reloader on November 5, 2014, 12:06 amStop the presses. We now have a powder funnel specifically for 22 TCM. It will be available online tomorrow. Stock number 62375, $26.25 is the cost. We will also offer a 550 conversion kit for this cartridge, #62217, $55.95.
Our testing so far is that this case does not feed well at all in our electric case feeder, due to the geometry of the case. They mostly roll around on top of the case feed plate, and seldom drop into the notches of the plate. Therefore
we have no plans to offer a 650 or Super 1050 conversion at this time.
Stop the presses. We now have a powder funnel specifically for 22 TCM. It will be available online tomorrow. Stock number 62375, $26.25 is the cost. We will also offer a 550 conversion kit for this cartridge, #62217, $55.95.
Our testing so far is that this case does not feed well at all in our electric case feeder, due to the geometry of the case. They mostly roll around on top of the case feed plate, and seldom drop into the notches of the plate. Therefore
we have no plans to offer a 650 or Super 1050 conversion at this time.
Quote from Reloader on November 19, 2014, 4:01 pmUpdate:
I received the powder drop on Friday and set up my machine. The large pistol plate in the case feeder works perfectly. I started with the 9mm case feed adapter and bushings. I ended up modifying the red adapter because the cases were too tall to work with either the green or red one. I notched the bottom of the adapter with a utility knife. The notch is 0.100 deep and 0.400 wide. I tried to center it on the index tab on the opposite side. Here are a few pics.
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As planned, I used the .223 shell plate and station one locator. #3 buttons.
Station 1- Size and decap
Station 2- Prime and powder drop
Station 3- Powder check
Station 4- Flare
Station 5- Seat and crimp
Update:
I received the powder drop on Friday and set up my machine. The large pistol plate in the case feeder works perfectly. I started with the 9mm case feed adapter and bushings. I ended up modifying the red adapter because the cases were too tall to work with either the green or red one. I notched the bottom of the adapter with a utility knife. The notch is 0.100 deep and 0.400 wide. I tried to center it on the index tab on the opposite side. Here are a few pics.
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As planned, I used the .223 shell plate and station one locator. #3 buttons.
Station 1- Size and decap
Station 2- Prime and powder drop
Station 3- Powder check
Station 4- Flare
Station 5- Seat and crimp
Quote from Reloader on November 20, 2014, 4:19 amMr. G5122 indicates that the large pistol plate in the case feeder plate works great, yet Dillon indicates that none of the electric case feeder options will work.
What am I missing?
Mr. G5122 indicates that the large pistol plate in the case feeder plate works great, yet Dillon indicates that none of the electric case feeder options will work.
What am I missing?
Quote from Reloader on November 21, 2014, 7:18 pmMaybe Dillon didn't try the large pistol plate? 22 tcm brass can be made from 223 brass and it's essentially the same diameter as 9mm brass. It would be easy to assume that the small pistol plate, used for 9mm, and/or the small rifle plate, used for .223, would be the logical choices to begin when experimenting with a new cartridge. That was certainly my assumption initially. I happened to be coming off of a .45ACP loading session and just decided to give the large plate a try before swapping it out. Blind hog syndrome I guess.
Maybe Dillon didn't try the large pistol plate? 22 tcm brass can be made from 223 brass and it's essentially the same diameter as 9mm brass. It would be easy to assume that the small pistol plate, used for 9mm, and/or the small rifle plate, used for .223, would be the logical choices to begin when experimenting with a new cartridge. That was certainly my assumption initially. I happened to be coming off of a .45ACP loading session and just decided to give the large plate a try before swapping it out. Blind hog syndrome I guess.