XL 650 Sticking Problems
Quote from Reloader on April 13, 2015, 8:18 pmI have had my 650 for a couple months now and I have noticed that when I raise the shell plate and on the way back down, It feels like the piston is sticking and then a loud thud sound. It doesn't happen on every pull of the handle but more often than not. It happens regardless of which caliber I'm loading a the time. Has anyone else had a similar problem and can give me some advise on if I need to adjust something.
Thank you!!!!
I have had my 650 for a couple months now and I have noticed that when I raise the shell plate and on the way back down, It feels like the piston is sticking and then a loud thud sound. It doesn't happen on every pull of the handle but more often than not. It happens regardless of which caliber I'm loading a the time. Has anyone else had a similar problem and can give me some advise on if I need to adjust something.
Thank you!!!!
Quote from Reloader on April 14, 2015, 10:32 amSounds like there is no lube/greese where the Ring Indexer (pn 13677) contacts the Ring Indexer (PN 13667) . Is the loader sticking when the shell plate starts to turn?
A dab of greese on the top of the Indexer block will smooth up the loader a huge amount. See page 48 of the users manual for picture of the Indexer block.
Second possible problem is the Ring Indexer if broken. See page 52 for picture. Inspect the Ring Indexer for crack or breakage.
Sounds like there is no lube/greese where the Ring Indexer (pn 13677) contacts the Ring Indexer (PN 13667) . Is the loader sticking when the shell plate starts to turn?
A dab of greese on the top of the Indexer block will smooth up the loader a huge amount. See page 48 of the users manual for picture of the Indexer block.
Second possible problem is the Ring Indexer if broken. See page 52 for picture. Inspect the Ring Indexer for crack or breakage.
Quote from Reloader on April 16, 2015, 4:54 pmI looked over the loader last night and no parts appear to be broken and everything seems fairly still greased up. When I raise the shell plate, everything is fine and as soon as I start downward with the handle it is catching on something sticking a bit and just sounds bad. I cannot really tell where it is coming from other than maybe the main shaft.
I looked over the loader last night and no parts appear to be broken and everything seems fairly still greased up. When I raise the shell plate, everything is fine and as soon as I start downward with the handle it is catching on something sticking a bit and just sounds bad. I cannot really tell where it is coming from other than maybe the main shaft.
Quote from Reloader on April 17, 2015, 1:08 amI'm experiencing the same problem but I think I've narrowed it down to the crimp die. Don't know why other than it's an extremely old die set that might need replaced. I notice it doesn't do it until all 5 stations are full. I'm loading .40 with Rainier 180 grain bullets. I was kinda wondering if I was crimping the round to hard and that's what was causing this. It's like it gets stuck to the die and on the down stroke you have to pull it from the die.
Does anyone know if Dillon will re-work old die sets or is it just better to buy a new set?
I'm experiencing the same problem but I think I've narrowed it down to the crimp die. Don't know why other than it's an extremely old die set that might need replaced. I notice it doesn't do it until all 5 stations are full. I'm loading .40 with Rainier 180 grain bullets. I was kinda wondering if I was crimping the round to hard and that's what was causing this. It's like it gets stuck to the die and on the down stroke you have to pull it from the die.
Does anyone know if Dillon will re-work old die sets or is it just better to buy a new set?
Quote from Reloader on April 17, 2015, 5:37 amYou don't say what you're loading but if it is pistol rounds it may be the case being pulled off the powder funnel. Some thicker walled cases can feel pretty tight when you lower the platform. If that's what it is you can improve the situation by cleaning up the expander portion of the powder funnel and polishing it.
You don't say what you're loading but if it is pistol rounds it may be the case being pulled off the powder funnel. Some thicker walled cases can feel pretty tight when you lower the platform. If that's what it is you can improve the situation by cleaning up the expander portion of the powder funnel and polishing it.
Quote from Reloader on April 20, 2015, 11:30 amMy experience is that case lube solves the same problem with my 9mm. Spray 1-2 seconds of case lube into a one gallon zip lock bag. Add a couple hundred clean casing, seal, and then shake rattle and roll the bag. Dump them into the case feeder.
Herb
P.s. Also clean your deprime/sizing die.
My experience is that case lube solves the same problem with my 9mm. Spray 1-2 seconds of case lube into a one gallon zip lock bag. Add a couple hundred clean casing, seal, and then shake rattle and roll the bag. Dump them into the case feeder.
Herb
P.s. Also clean your deprime/sizing die.
Quote from Reloader on April 21, 2015, 2:19 pmPlease excuse my ignorance, but you said you case lube your pistol brass. Do you dry tumble your completed pistol rounds to get the case lube off when done and if not what do you do?
When I do rifle rounds I de-prime, size and trim on one tool head then I re-tumble to remove case lube and change out the tool head and charge, seat and crimp but that wouldn't work for pistol.
Please excuse my ignorance, but you said you case lube your pistol brass. Do you dry tumble your completed pistol rounds to get the case lube off when done and if not what do you do?
When I do rifle rounds I de-prime, size and trim on one tool head then I re-tumble to remove case lube and change out the tool head and charge, seat and crimp but that wouldn't work for pistol.
Quote from Reloader on April 22, 2015, 4:09 pmSounds like your shell plate could be too tight. Could be the difference in using carbide vs non carbide dies...not sure which you are using. I do lube my pistol cases..run them and then run in dry media with a couple of tablespoons of alcohol to remove the lube. My 650 only has a slight sticking when loading .40 S&W.....seems to be a common issue where it sticks slightly on the powder drop...I have cleaned & polished this and adjusted the flare of the mouth just enough so i have no issues seating the bullets and this seems to have cleared up the sticking quite a bit. Also make sure you are making a full stroke both ways. Best of luck!
Sounds like your shell plate could be too tight. Could be the difference in using carbide vs non carbide dies...not sure which you are using. I do lube my pistol cases..run them and then run in dry media with a couple of tablespoons of alcohol to remove the lube. My 650 only has a slight sticking when loading .40 S&W.....seems to be a common issue where it sticks slightly on the powder drop...I have cleaned & polished this and adjusted the flare of the mouth just enough so i have no issues seating the bullets and this seems to have cleared up the sticking quite a bit. Also make sure you are making a full stroke both ways. Best of luck!
Quote from Reloader on May 4, 2015, 4:43 pmI have just started on my 650 also . I have the same problem with pistol 40s&w its the powder funnel sticking in the brass .on the down stroke . if you notice some brass is dirty on the inside . even after tumbling .that's what I found is my problem is just some . I know what it is keep going with no problems if sticks on the way down its brass on the powder funnel after the very slit bell . .also found some brass factory loads that corrosion. on the inside
I have just started on my 650 also . I have the same problem with pistol 40s&w its the powder funnel sticking in the brass .on the down stroke . if you notice some brass is dirty on the inside . even after tumbling .that's what I found is my problem is just some . I know what it is keep going with no problems if sticks on the way down its brass on the powder funnel after the very slit bell . .also found some brass factory loads that corrosion. on the inside
Quote from Reloader on March 25, 2017, 12:28 amBought my 650 in 2013 and just got it set up for 45 acp with carbide dies. The press was hanging up on the crimp die. Lowering the shell plate made a loud pop as it released from the crimp die. Cases were lubed. It doesn't matter which type of brass I am using. New Starline, federal, once fired speer, they all stick. I called Dillon customer service today and they told me it was the mouth case flare and to take it out 20 thousands. I did that and nothing changed. Still sticking on crimp die. Brass shavings on the ejection chute. Dillon said that is normal but I don't think so. I'm new to this but in looking at my cases after the crimp die it doesn't look like a concentric crimp and leaves a mark on the case. Any ideas? I'm thinking of doing a video of this pop coming off the crimp die.
Bought my 650 in 2013 and just got it set up for 45 acp with carbide dies. The press was hanging up on the crimp die. Lowering the shell plate made a loud pop as it released from the crimp die. Cases were lubed. It doesn't matter which type of brass I am using. New Starline, federal, once fired speer, they all stick. I called Dillon customer service today and they told me it was the mouth case flare and to take it out 20 thousands. I did that and nothing changed. Still sticking on crimp die. Brass shavings on the ejection chute. Dillon said that is normal but I don't think so. I'm new to this but in looking at my cases after the crimp die it doesn't look like a concentric crimp and leaves a mark on the case. Any ideas? I'm thinking of doing a video of this pop coming off the crimp die.